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When the weather gets cold outside here in Colorado, it's pretty important to

me to have gloves to hat in a good warm jacket. It's very nice and comfortable

to have a fireplace as well. In the same way your marriage is going to go

through some colder seasons, but if you can prepare for those times, you can

get through them. I'm John Fuller along with Aaron Smolly and her husband, Dr.

Greg Smolly, and they're in charge of our marriage team here. They also each do

a lot of counseling with couples and individuals. And Deborah Fileta is a

professional counselor as well. And she shares about the seasons of marriage.

And here she is talking to Jim Daley and me about the winter season.

John, I'm not popping this question on you. Some people might hear this and say,

why would Jim do that? But we've talked about it and you were willing to share

this about you and Dana have gone through kind of a winter experience.

Describe that as a practical example of what some couples can go through.

Well, let me say first that we've gone through a lot of winter experiences.

I mean, there was a time when I was doing graduate school and I just wasn't

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