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The Kevin Miller Podcast

Getting Clear On What Is Truly At Risk In Pursuing What We Want w/ Connection Expert Ben Swire

The Kevin Miller Podcast

Kevin Miller

Nutrition, Relationships, Mental Health, Education, Social Sciences, Science, Society & Culture, Self-improvement, Health & Fitness, Religion & Spirituality, Spirituality, Medicine, Life Sciences, How To

4.51.4K Ratings

🗓️ 25 May 2026

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

I don’t think we like to hear it, but there seems to be continual evidence that our culture is growing more risk averse, less willing to try new things, and as a result, becoming stagnant. Another data point on our reported, near all time low of subjective well-being. So I brought on an expert to discuss the issue. Ben Swire is an innovative thought leader on human connection and authentic living. Ben is an award-winning designer, writer, and former Design Lead at the iconic innovation firm IDEO, and he co-founded Make Believe Works where they help people build deeper relationships and discover their authentic purpose through creative activities. Ben has spent much of his time working with people and teams, helping them progress toward the things they really want. Ben says we all want inspiring experiences, meaningful work, and deep relationships. But those generally require risking vulnerability, inviting disappointment, and trusting others. So, we hesitate, settle to remain safe, and stay stuck. So he's worked to lessen the perceptions of risk, and this was why I had him on the show. Ben has a new book, SAFE DANGER: An Unexpected Method for Sparking Connection, Finding Purpose, and Inspiring Innovation. As you will hear, I really honed in on looking at what is really most at risk, and so often it is only our identity. Anxiety about what people might think. I’m not going to cheerlead that everyone quit caring what others think, but I’m definitely working to shine light on the issue and help us see how unfounded the concern often is. Sign up for your $1/month trial period at shopify.com/kevin Go to shipstation.com and use code KEVIN to start your free trial. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Welcome. I'm Kevin Miller. I have conversations with people that help us make better meaning of our lives.

0:07.1

In this episode, getting clear on what is truly at risk in pursuing what we want.

0:13.4

I don't think we like to hear it, but there just seems to be continual evidence that our culture is growing more risk-averse, less willing to try new things,

0:22.6

and as a result, becoming stagnant.

0:25.3

Another data point this is on our reported near all-time lows of subjective well-being.

0:32.7

So I brought on an expert, as I often do, to discuss the issue.

0:36.6

Ben Swire, he's an innovative thought

0:39.5

leader on human connection and authentic living. Ben is an award-winning designer, writer, and

0:46.2

former design lead at the iconic innovation firm IDEO. And he co-founded Make Believe Works,

0:53.0

where they help people build deeper relationships and

0:55.3

discover their authentic purpose through creative activities.

0:58.9

Well, Ben has spent a lot of his time working creatively with people and big teams, helping

1:04.5

them progress toward the things they really want.

1:08.5

Ben says, we all want inspiring experiences, meaningful work, and deep relationships,

1:14.0

but those generally require risking vulnerability, inviting disappointment, and trusting others.

1:21.0

So thus, we hesitate, we settle just to remain safe and we stay stuck.

1:28.4

So he works to lessen the perceptions of risk.

1:33.5

And that's why I had him on the show.

1:34.9

Ben's got a new book called Safe Danger, an unexpected method for sparking, connection,

1:41.2

finding purpose, and inspiring innovation. As you'll hear, I really honed in on looking at

1:49.2

what is really most at risk. And so often it's just our identity. I say just, it's one of the

1:56.2

biggest fears we have, our anxieties that we have, but to get clear our identity. So we have

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