Getting Clear On What Is Truly At Risk In Pursuing What We Want w/ Connection Expert Ben Swire
The Kevin Miller Podcast
Kevin Miller
4.5 • 1.4K Ratings
🗓️ 25 May 2026
⏱️ 68 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome. I'm Kevin Miller. I have conversations with people that help us make better meaning of our lives. |
| 0:07.1 | In this episode, getting clear on what is truly at risk in pursuing what we want. |
| 0:13.4 | I don't think we like to hear it, but there just seems to be continual evidence that our culture is growing more risk-averse, less willing to try new things, |
| 0:22.6 | and as a result, becoming stagnant. |
| 0:25.3 | Another data point this is on our reported near all-time lows of subjective well-being. |
| 0:32.7 | So I brought on an expert, as I often do, to discuss the issue. |
| 0:36.6 | Ben Swire, he's an innovative thought |
| 0:39.5 | leader on human connection and authentic living. Ben is an award-winning designer, writer, and |
| 0:46.2 | former design lead at the iconic innovation firm IDEO. And he co-founded Make Believe Works, |
| 0:53.0 | where they help people build deeper relationships and |
| 0:55.3 | discover their authentic purpose through creative activities. |
| 0:58.9 | Well, Ben has spent a lot of his time working creatively with people and big teams, helping |
| 1:04.5 | them progress toward the things they really want. |
| 1:08.5 | Ben says, we all want inspiring experiences, meaningful work, and deep relationships, |
| 1:14.0 | but those generally require risking vulnerability, inviting disappointment, and trusting others. |
| 1:21.0 | So thus, we hesitate, we settle just to remain safe and we stay stuck. |
| 1:28.4 | So he works to lessen the perceptions of risk. |
| 1:33.5 | And that's why I had him on the show. |
| 1:34.9 | Ben's got a new book called Safe Danger, an unexpected method for sparking, connection, |
| 1:41.2 | finding purpose, and inspiring innovation. As you'll hear, I really honed in on looking at |
| 1:49.2 | what is really most at risk. And so often it's just our identity. I say just, it's one of the |
| 1:56.2 | biggest fears we have, our anxieties that we have, but to get clear our identity. So we have |
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