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This is Jonah Goldberg, host of the Remnant podcast,

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We've had many requests since the last time he was here for Charlie Cook to come back on the remnant in part just for the euphony of his of his accent. But no, my friend Charlie Cook, senior editor National Review, and I mean, like, what were the odds? He's the host of the Charles Cook podcast. Like it's only so often that a job like that opens up where you actually have the same name as the name of the podcast. So, congrats. Yeah, you just reminding

me there's this old Hugh Laurie joke where he says that he was the assistant to Princess

Margaret, but he left when he realized they were never going to make him Princess Margaret.

So he had no career prospect.

Welcome back. It's good to have you.

I'm just going to ease into it because I'm on like hour two of podcasting right now and my brain is not entirely focused.

And so this is not the most important issue of the day, but I'm curious about it.

As a Florida man, you're the guy to ask. So you're a big defender of Ron DeSantis and you've,

you've framed a lot, like I get a lot of my views on Rundasantis from your opinion on Rond DeSantis. And I got my disagreements with Ron DeSantis. I hated the way he ran for governor back in the day, promising to be a loyal servant of the president because the sovereign, the head of a sovereign state of Florida is not answerable to a president. And I really disliked all of that,

but it worked. And I really disliked all of that. But it worked and it's politics, whatever. All the same. I thought he handled COVID better than most, you know, with the possible exception of Kemp, you know, probably better than any other governor. And in part, that's because of stuff that you've argued that, you know, and other people have told me that he really looked at the data and it was stupid to close beaches. So he didn't close beaches and he didn't care what Trump said to him or anybody else said to him about that. And I salute him for that because it was a policy-driven, science-based thing. What the hell is going on with trying to eliminate all vaccine mandates in Florida? I mean, I have a hard time believing

that that's where the science is on all of this. And I don't get it. I don't get it either.

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