This is Goodnight Stories for Rebel Girls.

Welcome to Good Night Stories for Rebel Girls, the interview.

I'm Tatyana Romero, and today I'm talking to Lorraine Powell Jobs,

who told the story of Teresa Lee.

If you haven't listened to that episode, now

is a great time to go back and listen.

Lorene, Teresa's story is about finding opportunities as an undocumented immigrant. This is something

you've been working on for a long time. How did you get started?

That's a good question.

When I was running my first company, I went to a local high school to talk to students,

and I was going to just tell them about what it was like to go to college as first in family to go to college. And I met so many talented students

who needed a little more help than they were getting. And once I became a helper to them, I was

bit by the bug of being a helper, and I decided that's what I wanted to dedicate my life to.

People like you and Teresa have

been fighting for years. How do you stay hopeful about making change? I know so many dreamers and

their families and it has been 18 years since we first went to Washington, D.C. with a petition

signed by 25,000 community members to try to get the Dream Act passed.

And every single year, I work with dreamers and their families, and I see the hope in their eyes and the promise that their lives have, and I will never give up

fighting on their behalf. And sometimes hope takes practice, and sometimes it's really

frustrating and maddening that change doesn't happen sooner. But just like playing the piano or learning a language,

you actually have to practice it and you have to find ways to stay optimistic.

And for me, when I look in the eyes of so many young people,

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