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wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the H-B-Ridee cast from Harvard Business Review.

I'm Sarah Green.

This week I'm talking with Roger Swar's,

author of smart leaders smarter teams.

Roger advises global companies, federal government agencies,

and international nonprofit organizations.

Prior to starting his own business, he was a professor of public management and government at the Institute

of Government at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

Roger, thanks so much for joining us today.

Thanks Sarah, happy to be here.

So I want to start with the phenomenon that some of us have probably experienced

directly and others have certainly seen it from afar,

which is that the phenomenon of having a bunch of people on a team who are individually all very

smart and competent, but somehow that team just doesn't quite come together.

I think we've all seen this probably, we can name different sports teams we may follow,

or it's a team of all-stars, but they still don't win any games.

What happens when the sort of collective genius of all these people fails to come

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