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The Dishcast with Andrew Sullivan

George Will On Conservatism

The Dishcast with Andrew Sullivan

Andrew Sullivan

Politics, News, Religion & Spirituality

4.6 • 836 Ratings

🗓️ 7 June 2024

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit andrewsullivan.substack.com

George writes a twice-weekly column on politics and foreign affairs for the Washington Post, a column he launched in 1974. He is also a regular contributor to MSNBC and NBC News. The author of 14 books, his latest is American Happiness and Discontents, but the one we primarily cover in this episode is The Conservative Sensibility — which I reviewed for the NYT.

For two clips of our convo — on why the presidency has too much power, and the necessity of stopping Putin — pop over to our YouTube page. Other topics: growing up in Lincoln country; the son of a philosophy prof and an academic editor; Isaiah Berlin was a family friend; George and I both attending Magdalen College, Oxford; his meeting with Thatcher in late '60s; how socialism is stultifying; Oakeshott; industrial policy as crony capitalism “from the start”; Milton Friedman; why “secure” is the most important word in the Constitution; just war theory; Vietnam as the “professors’ war”; collectivism vs national security; the trauma of 9/11 and the Iraq War; the China threat today; Gaza; why natcons are jealous of progressives; Elizabeth Warren; why Woodrow Wilson criticized the Founding as quaint; FDR and his fireside chats; in praise of Eisenhower; the spread of the administrative state; Caldwell’s The Age of Entitlement; Reagan and the national debt; his bad wager on the Laffer Curve; the meaning of his smile; presentism; Hume at a dinner party; Madison’s genius; George the “amiable low-voltage atheist”; Christian nationalism; evangelicals for Trump; the entitlement crunch with Boomers; “not voting is an opinion”; our disagreement on immigration; the “execrable” 1924 law; climate change as a low priority for Gen Z; why Trump is unprecedented; Biden’s age and his “stupendous act of selfishness” in running again; Gina Raimondo; DEI as the new racial discrimination; the deep distrust in media; the flailing WaPo; “happiness is overrated”; the appeal of baseball; and the reasons why America is exceptional.

Browse the Dishcast archive for an episode you might enjoy (the first 102 are free in their entirety — subscribe to get everything else). Coming up: Nellie Bowles on the woke revolution, Lionel Shriver on her new novel, Elizabeth Corey on Oakeshott, Tim Shipman on the UK elections, Erick Erickson on the left’s spiritual crisis, Bill Wasik and Monica Murphy on animal cruelty, Van Jones, and Stephen Fry! Send any guest recs, dissents, and other comments to [email protected].

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0:00.0

The Hi there.

0:28.7

Welcome to another dishcast on a steamy summer day in Washington, D.C.,

0:35.0

where I am still stuck because my dog is too big to fit under the seat in front of me,

0:40.3

and they no longer carry dogs on airplanes in cargo except for military members.

0:46.0

So I kind of went to the airport and found out I couldn't get on the flight.

0:49.9

But anyway, that means that Chris Bowdo, I know the Guardian of Dishner,

0:52.9

so my colleague is going to have to fly down and drive the two of us up because I have yet to learn how to drive a car, which is a terrible, terrible admission.

1:03.2

But there we are.

1:04.5

Chris will do it.

1:05.3

And thanks for subscribing.

1:06.8

If you haven't subscribed, please do.

1:09.3

If you haven't, this conversation you're about to hear will end

1:12.3

after about an hour and all the juicy good stuff will be left unheard by you so do that we are

1:18.4

we're in a record number of subscribers just nudging 21,000 paid subscribers and about 170,000

1:26.4

total subscribers and I can't thank you enough for that. It's been

1:32.9

quite a ride as we enter our fifth year next year this summer of the weekly dish. This week,

1:41.0

and coming up, we have the wonderful Lionel Shriver on her new novel. We have Elizabeth

1:47.7

Corey, a rather brilliant political philosopher who's coming on and we're going to talk Michael

1:53.2

Oakshot for an hour and a half as you've asked me to. We have Tim Shipman, probably the best

1:58.2

political journalist in Britain coming on to talk about the UK elections.

2:02.6

And then we have Eric Erickson coming on to talk about the left spiritual crisis.

2:07.7

Then we have Bill Wattick and Monica Murphy, an interesting couple of written a history of treatment of animals.

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