This is a global original podcast.

Hello and welcome to full disclosure with me, James O'Brien, a podcast project conceived largely to let me spend more time than is normally available in media context with people that I've always wanted to either meet or spend a little bit more time with

than is normally available in media context. George, the poet, fits into the first category. We've

never met, but I'm delighted to have you here. Thank you. Thank you. And as you know, this is a slightly

different approach to interviewing in that we try to cram your entire life into the

time available so we should begin by observing the obvious is which is that you were not

christened george the poet you were christened george mpanga 29 years ago in nisden in

london um before we talk about your childhood I was very surprised to learn that your paternal

grandmother was a Ugandan cabinet minister.

Mm-hmm.

So this is before you were born story.

Yep.

The first, Uganda's first minister for women's affairs, a fascinating woman, married to a fascinating man.

Andrew Frederick Campanga was Burgundy Kingdom's first African solicitor general,

then attorney general.

We can probably work out some of the answer to this question.

But if you come from such highfalutin stock,

how did you end up, your branch of the family,

end up in Neasden in the early 90s?

Well, shouts out to Neasden,

very colourful and varied place.

I didn't mean it like that.

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