George Saunders
Tetragrammaton with Rick Rubin
Rick Rubin
4.6 • 1.2K Ratings
🗓️ 4 February 2026
⏱️ 108 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Tetragrammaton. |
| 0:05.0 | Tetracketka. |
| 0:10.0 | Actually, honestly, the last few years, my whole intake has changed. |
| 0:26.9 | I don't know if it takes more time doing it work. |
| 0:29.7 | I feel a little more delicate outside of it. |
| 0:31.8 | Like, I'm a little more protective about what I'm listening. |
| 0:34.1 | So I think when I was younger, I was like, I got to hear everything, you got to read everything. And the last few years, I'm like, yeah, maybe you don't. Maybe, you know, can kind of be a little quieter. And I'm doing this, the substack, which is we do a story every two weeks. So that means pretty much I'm reading that story for two weeks, which shuts out a lot of stuff. How did the substacks start? I wrote that book about the Russian short story, and then I just kind of enjoyed that. |
| 0:56.6 | There was a lot of stuff. How did the substacks start? I wrote that book about the Russian short story. |
| 0:54.5 | And then I just kind of enjoyed that. |
| 0:56.6 | There was a different modality. Swimming the pond. I love that book. Yeah, thank you. I'd been teaching all those years, you know, that Syracuse. And I came back from a tour, and I had my first class. And it was like the kids left and it's just like the chalk dust in the air. |
| 1:10.0 | I'm like, I love this. |
| 1:11.0 | I didn't, I always knew I liked it, you know, but I had this notebook that was like an accumulation of all the notes I'd taken and teaching those Russian stories over 20 years. And nobody else could make any sense of it. It's just screw. But I thought, you know, if I kick it right now, all that goes away. And it wasn't only me. |
| 1:28.7 | It was all those generations of students that were giving me feedback. |
| 1:32.3 | And so, so anyway, I wrote that Russian book and then really missed it when I was done. |
| 1:37.6 | And somebody said, would you like to do a subject act? |
| 1:39.4 | And I thought, yeah, I could do it on storycraft. |
| 1:41.9 | Like what is, like always going back to, okay, forget everything you know, what's |
| 1:46.0 | a story really? |
| 1:47.1 | And especially experientially, what is it? |
| 1:50.4 | You know, so the whole idea of kind of, which you explore in your book, like, what |
| 1:54.8 | is the mind on art actually doing? |
| 1:57.0 | And at some point, when you watch what the mind on art is doing, it's what the mind is |
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