Hello and welcome to another episode of iWay with Jermina Jamel, a podcast that doesn't

get in down violent but would like to throw all shame off the top of a very high cliff.

I hope you're okay. I'm all right, I'm still reeling but I'm starting to channel my rage into

something more productive where I can finally stop just screaming out of a pillow and figure out how

to organize and I will start to share those ways with you as soon as I have a clear ahead.

I'm still quite a lot of medication from my wisdom teeth removal so bear with. Anyway, I am excited

for today's conversation because I'm not sure how you're going to feel about it. I often bring on

guests who I think are kind of, you know, as you've kind of written to me really fit with your

interests and I have a podcast that is extremely diverse in its audience but I'm not sure we've had

a lot of guests who are sort of straight, white, privileged, males, people who have slightly less,

complete left opinions on things and when I say left I mean the different things right and left.

Someone who's a little bit more, I wouldn't define his political ideology but some of the things

that he says in this podcast represent it's kind of a bit more centrist and I haven't had a lot of

people like that on this podcast. Now one of the things that I love about this chat is that A, I really

like the guest, his name is George Wretch, you might know him from the internet, thanks Nathra and

I don't just like him because he is the king of memes and he's extremely funny and has lots of

various different channels that serve very different parts of our brains, some very positive and

uplifting and beautiful and some a little bit on the snarky side and then some that are just

pure silly fun. So I wanted to have on this podcast because I am genuinely a fan of his on the

internet and also I am aware that he had a really fascinating struggle with addiction that I think

is something that we don't talk about on the podcast enough and then also there's a point in this

episode where you know we disagree on certain things or we have different ways of looking at things

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