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But there are other people who biases wax and wane depending on their

circumstances depending on who's talking to them and what they're hearing

and what kind of language is in the air.

Trump has licensed those people,

but I don't think all of them are hopeless.

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

Welcome to a podcast that searches for the ideas, policies and strategies that can

beat a deterrent populist like Donald Trump over the next four years and the next 40.

I just want to start by saying a word about a series of terrorist attacks in London over the last months.

There are two terrorist attacks as inspired by Islamist ideology and recently there was an attack

a sort of revenge attack I suppose of some kind of somebody we don't know much

about it yet saying that he wanted to go out and kill Muslims.

And I think it shows the degree to which terrorism can become a challenge for liberal democratic societies.

Among my friends there's sometimes a slightly triumphalist narrative that we can bear these

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