Hello everyone and welcome to Talk Nurdy. Today is Monday, August 9, 2021 and I'm the host of the show

Kara Santa Maria and before we dive into this week's episode I do want to thank those of you who help make

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All right, let's get into it.

So this week I have the opportunity to sit down

with Dr. Jordan Ellenberg, and he is the author of Shape the Hidden Geometry of Information, Biology, Strategy, Democracy, and everything else.

Dr Ellenberg is the John D. MacArthur professor of mathematics at the University of Wisconsin,

Madison. He has won a ton of career awards and grants, and he's been writing kind of public mathematics, you know,

communication about mathematics for forward facing like non-academic audiences for many many years these written

columns or or one-offs in the New York Times the Wall Street Journal, Slate, the

Washington Post, Wired, Boston Globe, all these wonderful outlets.

And this is not his first book.

He wrote How Not to be Wrong and, ooh, a novel novel I didn't know that or did I know that the

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