Geoffrey West: "Metabolism and the Hidden Laws of Biology"
The Great Simplification with Nate Hagens
Nate Hagens
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🗓️ 3 April 2024
⏱️ 101 minutes
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Summary
On this episode, physicist Geoffrey West joins Nate to discuss his decades of work on metabolic scaling laws found in nature and how they apply to humans and our economies. As we think about the past and future of societies, there are patterns that emerge independently across cultures in terms of resource use and social phenomena as the size of a city grows. Does Kleiber's law, which describes the increasingly efficient use of energy as an animal gets larger - also apply to human cities? How have humans deviated from this rule through excess social consumption beyond a human body's individual metabolic needs? What could we learn from these scaling laws to adjust our communities to be more aligned with the biophysical realities of energy and resource consumption? Can an understanding of social metabolism impact our social metabolism?
About Geoffrey West
Geoffrey West is the Shannan Distinguished Professor and former President of the Santa Fe Institute and an Associate Senior Fellow of Oxford University's Green-Templeton College. West is a theoretical physicist whose primary interests have been in fundamental questions ranging across physics, biology and the social sciences. His work is motivated by the search for unifying principles and the "simplicity underlying complexity". His research includes metabolism, growth, aging & death, sleep, cancer, ecosystems, innovation and the accelerating pace of life. Most recently he has been developing a science of cities and companies, including the challenge of long-term global sustainability of the anthroposphere. He is the author of the best-selling book Scale; The Universal Laws of Growth, Innovation, Sustainability, and the Pace of Life in Organisms, Cities, Economies, and Companies.
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| 0:00.0 | You're listening to the Great Simplification. |
| 0:05.1 | I'm Nate Higgins. |
| 0:06.4 | On this show, we describe how energy, the economy, the environment, and human behavior all |
| 0:12.2 | fit together and what it might mean for our future. |
| 0:15.9 | By sharing insights from global thinkers, we hope to inform and inspire more humans to play emergent roles in the coming great simplification. |
| 0:28.3 | I am pleased and honored to welcome my next guest, the physicist Jeffrey West, to the program. |
| 0:36.8 | Jeffrey was a professor at Stanford. |
| 0:40.9 | He was the leader and founder of a high energy physics group at Los Alamos. |
| 0:45.6 | And most recently, he was the president of the Santa Fe Institute. |
| 0:49.7 | He has been long fascinated with general scaling phenomenon in biology and nature. |
| 0:56.1 | Today we talk among other things about Clybers law, which states that the metabolism or |
| 1:05.2 | the energy use of an organism scales to the three-quarter power of its size. |
| 1:11.2 | And we apply that not only to human bodies, but to human exosomatic energy, how much we use |
| 1:19.6 | in cities and the whole world with fascinating, ominous implications. |
| 1:27.1 | For those of you that have long followed this podcast, this conversation is a must watch. |
| 1:33.7 | Uh, and also enjoyable. |
| 1:35.5 | Jeffrey is kind of like a, uh, wise kind of physicist version of Gandalf. |
| 1:42.3 | Uh, and I learned a lot. |
| 1:44.5 | I think this is at the core of what people need to understand about the linkage between human |
| 1:51.6 | nurture and human nature as biological organisms, how we use energy and materials. |
| 1:58.1 | Hope you enjoy it. |
| 1:59.6 | Please welcome Jeffrey West. |
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