Welcome back to part two of our conversation with Jeff Ogilvie.

If you miss part one, check it out in iTunes on our website or on Stitcher or wherever else you

listen to podcasts.

In part two, we dive into how Jeff got into golf course architecture,

what he loves about strategy,

what he thinks about PGA Tour setups, what TPC course he'd like to renovate, what TPC course he'd like to renovate,

and much more.

Without further ado, here's part two of our conversation with Jeff Ogilvy.

I'm Missed Green, for example. I'm already upset.

When I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

And when I find my ball in a fried egg.

Fried egg.

The dreaded fried egg.

Fried egg.

Fried egg lie. I'm about ready to run off the golf course So, You're a big fan of golf course architecture. In fact now you're part of a firm. I mean you're with Mike Clayton, Mike Kocking, and Ashley Mead, OCCM.

So how did you get interested in the subject at first?

Well, at first, I mean I grew up in Melbourne right next door to Royal Melbourne

basically I wasn't a member but I was a caddy at Royal Melbourne I was pretty

young 13 14 and if you're a caddy they let you play the east course after 4.30 p.m.

So I wasn't a caddy to caddy I had no interest in caddying I caddied a little bit

caddies were kind of dying in Australia a little bit at that point.

It was kind of dying off, people weren't doing it as much.

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