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Hello and welcome to Shift, a podcast about mobility.

I'm Hannah Lutz,

Evie reporter for automotive news and for Pete Bigelow this week.

I interviewed Charlie Fries, executive director of General Motors hydrogen fuel cell business,

for a story I wrote on automaker's development of fuel

cells for cars, trucks, trains, planes, and more. The story is part of an

automotive news project on hydrogen fuel cell technology. Charlie and I discussed GM's decades long

history with fuel cells, the potential for the technology in other industries,

and the use case for fuel cells versus EV batteries. Here's our conversation.

Hi Charlie, thanks for joining me.

Hi Hannah, nice to meet you.

I know that today GM is making fuel cells for passenger vehicles, commercial trucks, aerospace applications, locomotive, power generators, anything I missed on that list.

Well, GM's working on fuel cells for a wide range of applications as you said the reason for doing that is if they really fit a number of areas where there's a push to go to zero emissions solutions and it can be from the power generation side,

which is more of a stationary or it could be a mobile power generator all the way up to some of the biggest vehicles

that are constructed. You can think of those as things

like locomotives. So we're working in all of those spaces and we're also working with

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