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listening. Terms apply. Hi, this is Laura Vanderkham. I'm a mother of four, an author,

journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Unger. I'm a mother of three, an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Unger.

I'm a mother of three, practicing physician and blogger on the side.

We are two working parents who love our careers and our families.

Welcome to Best of Both worlds.

Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, and time for fun.

From figuring out child care to mapping out long-term

career goals, we want you to get the most out of life. Welcome to Best of Both Worlds. This is Laura.

This is episode 67. We are going to be talking about emotional labor with guests and Gemma Hartley,

who's just written a book on that

topic called Fed Up. So we were really excited to speak with her about emotional labor, what that

means, what it means for couples, what it means for women in general, and how we move forward

from here. So I have a funny note from Sarah who had once told me that she never

suffers from planning fatigue. And now it seems that Sarah has planning fatigue. You want to

unpack that for us? Yeah, I have had some planning fatigue. And now I know what you mean,

because when you asked me, I didn't really. but we've had a lot going on and I've done

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