So like a couple times in your career I guess you guys didn't have the songs all written before you went in

Yeah a couple of times big mistake it's such a big mistake

No, it's so bad, but you don't know that until you till you fucking your biggest episode 9 and not have episode 11 written. I mean you think in the back of your mind that

this is going to be exhilarating but then you're like your sphincter is like this small.

No totally because well you your sphincter is like this small. No, totally.

Because, well, you count on your subconscious

to be doing this work, don't you?

That's right.

But, and often it does, and then, but sometimes if you're not prepared ahead of time you really put yourself

in a yeah bad spot and as I got older and I tried to slow down my production schedule as I got older because I like to leave it and come back to it. Because that's the only way you can regain any

sort of objectivity right? Oh I love process stuff yeah this is great.

You're saying you would consciously build time in in the writing part of it or in the recording.

You'd want to be able to record, walk away from it, hear it again.

Both. You know, for me, my partner Alex, he's got a very different mindset.

So we would write something and demo it and then he would listen to it like 600,000 times.

And I don't do that.

You know, at the end of the day I walk away from it

and I don't listen to it and I come back in the morning

and I turn on the tape and I love my first impression

because that's the most objective I'm going to be all day.

And so as that process goes I try to maintain that and once we do a whole bunch of work together

I would walk away like we take a two-week break and during that

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