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Get started today at constant contact.com. This is a CBS, I in the world. I'm John Bachelor. Ukraine conflict. Middle East War.

I welcome Professor Richard Epstein of the Hoover Institution writing and defining ideas about the idea of de-escalating, either the war in Gaza and Lebanon, in Yemen and Iraq. in outcome in history.

Richard, a very good evening to you.

De-escalation now must deal with since you posted this at defining ideas.

The KIA of a man named Sinwar dying in an abandoned wrecked building by himself and the end of his brutality towards the people of Gaza, towards Israel, and towards the world.

Does this at your point, at your measure permit de-escalation of the Hamas conflict.

Good evening to you.

Yeah, good.

First of all, I don't like the word de-escalation, even though I use it,

because that's the current argument.

But the other more fashionable word is probably

appeasement and the theory is that if you basically make certain concessions

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