And the Hi, I'm Bill Crystal.

I'm Bill Crystal.

Welcome back to Conversations.

I'm very pleased to be joined again by Gary Kasparov,

the World Chess Champion, Human rights and democracy activists in Russia, his

homeland, and now living in America, an Institute observer of America for at least a quarter century and I thought

often foreigners have the best understanding of what's happening in our own

country from Tocvalon and I thought we would have a conversation not about the

Soviet Union and its collapse and not about what happened afterwards as we've discussed before in the 90s and after that, but about America.

And it's an unusual moment.

You've been very outspoken in your views about the sort of seriousness of this moment.

So help us just analyze what is happening, why it's happening as we speak here on,

what is it June 7th, 2016.

Anyway, thanks for taking the time.

And so where are we?

I mean, you've followed America closely, for what, for three decades really, at least?

Yeah, almost three decades, yes.

When were you first here? In 1988, but it's just, I watched America

even from afar. So I was having great interest, you know, in studying American democracy

and the development of the democratic system here. And I can say that it's yeah it's highly unusual this moment it's very

serious but you know things like that happened before so it didn't happen, you know, over our time, so just during our lifetime.

But, you know, it doesn't mean that, you know, things like that, you know, such, you know, dramatic changes, you know dramatic changes you know cannot happen so no one at no time is

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