Welcome welcome welcome armed chair expert experts on expert. I'm Dan Shepard. I'm joined by the minister of Duluth

That's not your name, but it is today. It's today. Yeah. What are you the minister of do you think I'm a minister in a religious way?

Of course. Oh, wow of my call. Yeah

Which will all be members of soon

Beautiful guest today holy smokes. I'm like embarrassed

I wasn't already an enormous fan and devotee of Gabor Matte. He's an addiction specialist a doctor a psychiatrist and a best-selling author

But beyond all those things he has a spirit and a depth to his kind eyes that is absolutely infectious

I found myself in low with them like Phil Stutz. Yeah, he was incredible and the way he moves around the world seeing us all as equals was very

Oh, he had a beautiful moment with you. I'll never forget it. Yeah, I was very special. As I live. Yeah, he has a new book out now called the myth of normal

Trauma illness and healing in a toxic culture. It's a beautiful book. I encourage everyone to read it and I'm gonna say you're welcome because here's Gabor Matte and he is special

He's a child

Rob you came bearing gifts. That was Fred's from yesterday. That was the right thing. I'll take it. You're still an offer lots of drinks. I'm good

I got my cup of tea here. You're sure you don't want a coffee. I don't know actually. I'm off coffee. Oh, well late May

I put the spit in an ayahuasca ceremony. Uh-huh. There was a healer there who did this kind of scan and said get off coffee for six weeks

So I did, but I haven't wanted to go back to it. Wow. I've put it a couple times

Well, you know, I'm a caffeine addict. I'm in a hard core

I mean you're an addict if it does you hire me if you just enjoy it. There's no right? Don't you think that's sort of the definition?

Yeah, there's a bunch we could throw in there secrecy. I'm not very secretive about my caffeine use

Yeah, I love about it as far as I know you've been pretty to open about your other stuff as well. Yes, yes

This is nowhere to hide really

Addict across the board

Sure full blown. Dr. Gabor nice to meet you. First of all, I'm gonna give you a pronunciation. My name is Gabor

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