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The Gray Area with Sean Illing

G. Willow Wilson on religion, comics, and modern myths

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Vox Media Podcast Network

Politics, News, News Commentary, Philosophy, Society & Culture

4.511.1K Ratings

🗓️ 11 April 2017

⏱️ 74 minutes

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Summary

This is a podcast about topics we don’t always cover on this show. Religion. Spirituality. Gender roles. Traditionalist societies. Comic books.G. Willow Wilson is the author of The Butterfly Mosque, Alif the Unseen, and the Hugo award winning comic book, Ms. Marvel. She’s also lived a fascinating, unusual life: she’s an American who converted to Islam and then moved to Egypt, where she met her now-husband. The hallmark of her work is an empathy and appreciation for societies that are often caricatured or even reviled by Americans. This conversation went in some wonderful, weird directions. We talk about Richard Dawkins’ “God gene,” and why Wilson feels she has it, and I don’t. We talk about how sickness can strengthen faith, what happens to spirituality when it’s decoupled from beauty, and why being in Egypt made Wilson feel less free, but more appreciated.We also talk about writing and comics, about the ways in which superheroes have become modern myths, and how her character, Ms. Marvel, became an surprise commercial success as well as an unexpected protest icon. We touch on Gamergate, representation in comic books, and Mike Pence’s rules for interacting with women who aren’t his wife.Wilson has a quality you find in the very best writers: an ability to look at the same world you see every day, but somehow discover much more behind it. Books:Anya’s Ghost, by Vera BrosgolThe Color of Earth, by Dong Hwa KimFun Home, by Alison Bechdel“A Revolution Undone,” by H.A. Hellyer“Throne of the Crescent Moon,” by Saladin Ahmed“The Meccan Revelations,” by Ibn al'Arabi Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hello, welcome to the Esmeralon Show.

0:41.1

I am really excited about this week's episode, which is a different kind of episode.

0:45.5

It is something different.

0:46.9

I spoke with G. Willow Wilson, cheesy author of the Butterfly Mosque, which is a memoir

0:51.7

of her time living in Egypt and converting to Islam.

0:54.7

I love the unseen, which is a fantastic fantasy novel at one of the World Fantasy Award.

0:59.7

Miss Marvel, the ongoing comic, which is one of the Hugo Award.

1:03.1

It's been a massive, massive critical and audience smash.

1:07.1

It's also, I think, for many people redefined what a superhero can be.

1:11.9

We talk about traditionalism and gender roles in Egypt and in America.

1:16.5

And of course, we talk about comics and about storytelling and about representation.

1:20.7

We talk about gamer gate.

1:22.3

We talk about superheroes as modern myths and why they have emerged into the space that

1:26.9

are in an American culture.

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