Chris Hayes on the crisis of elites and the politics of order

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

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Politics, News, Society & Culture, News Commentary, Philosophy

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🗓️ 4 April 2017

⏱️ 100 minutes

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I could describe this podcast, and I will. But the tl;dr is this is one of my favorite conversations so far, and you’re going to enjoy it. So just go listen. Chris Hayes is, of course, the host of the MSNBC primetime show, “All In.” He’s also the author of the new book “Colony in a Nation,” as well as (the extremely prescient) Twilight of the Elites. But beyond the bio, Chris is a crazily smart and insightful thinker on US politics and society, and he's in rare form here. Among our topics:• The way Donald Trump’s success represents both the problems of elite power and elite weaknessWho even counts as an elite, anyway?How people decide what to trustThe difficulties of trying to approach politics with decency and charity in the age of TrumpWhy the key to “law and order politics” isn’t law, but orderThe underestimated power of humiliation in daily American life, and during America’s foundingHow Chris would cover Trump if he were a White House correspondentThe ways in which the media actually can be unfair to TrumpWhy the fight between Trump and the press is more a staged WWE-match than an actual warThe power of seeing politics as a zero-sum competition, even when it isn’t oneAnd much more. This conversation is dense and it’s fast and it’s interesting and it’s fun. Enjoy!Books:“Democracy for Realists,” by Chris Achen and Larry Bartels"Locking up our own,” by James Forman“Racecraft,” by Barbara Fields and Karen Fields"Ghettoside,” by Jill Leovy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hello, welcome to the Ezra Client Show.
0:12.3	I am Ezra Client, I'm happy you're here and I am excited about this week's show we
0:16.0	have Chris Hayes, host of All In with Chris Hayes, the Primetime MSNBC show and also the
0:21.0	author of the Twilight of the elites and most recently, Colony in a Nation.
0:26.2	I've known Chris a long time actually and he is one of the smartest, most incisive people
0:33.2	I have just ever met on politics and this conversation is one I've wanted to have really
0:36.8	since we began the show and it more than lived up to my expectations.
0:41.1	We talk about really everything going on right now, but, but probably about the issues of
0:46.6	democracy, how do people actually know what they think they know race and policing, humiliation
0:51.5	and politics, the power of a politics of order, how Trump got where he is, how to be decent
0:56.6	in this era in politics and much, much, much more.
1:00.2	I'm not going to do too much preview here because it is just a lot of fun and I think you
1:03.8	should just listen to it.
1:05.1	One little plug before we get into this show, my colleague, Advoc's Todd Van Derwerp, he
1:10.6	is our critic at large, he is an awesome new interview show, I think you're interesting
1:14.4	where he talks to really most fascinating people in culture today, goes really deep in
1:19.0	how they do their work, what work they do, why their work is so great, I've been listening,
1:23.3	I absolutely love it and I think you will too, you can find I think you're interesting,
1:27.1	wherever you get your fine podcasts and also please send me questions for the upcoming,
1:32.0	ask me anything episode of this podcast last time, you all sent in a bunch of great questions
1:36.8	and I would love to have more from you for this coming one.
1:40.1	All that said here is Chris Hayes.
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