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listening. Terms apply. Hi, this is Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist,

and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Unger. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist, and speaker.

And this is Sarah Hart Unger. I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician, and blogger on the side.

We are two working parents who love our careers and our families. Welcome to Best of Both Worlds.

Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, and time for fun. From figuring out child care to mapping out long-term career goals, we want you to get the most out of life.

Welcome to Best of Both Worlds. This is Laura. This is episode 185, which is airing in mid-February.

We're going to be doing a deep dive into fun. Obviously, we are

big fans of fun here at best of both worlds. We talk about it even in our intro of finding time

for fun and things like that. But one of the things we've realized over the years is that

fun is not automatic when you have a busy life.

When you have a big career, when you have kids, it takes work to have fun.

And that can be a really hard thing to get your head around.

Like, oh my gosh, I have to plan my fun.

I have to do the logistics for

fun to happen. So that's why people wind up having less fun because they, you know, have

trouble getting their heads around that idea. But if you can get your head around the idea that

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