Hey, this is Christian O'Connell and this is a very different kind of conversation for me to share.

But one, I am so excited to be sharing with you.

It's with David White.

Now, he might not be a household name, but over the last couple of months, you might have heard him on Tim Ferriss's podcast.

Also on your music producer's brilliant podcast, Rick Rubin. You've had people like Liz Gilbert raving about his work.

David White had a really big, and still does, big impact of my life as a speaker, as a dad,

and how I understand myself. And what it is to be alive, I came across his work

when I first moved here seven years ago to Australia and man, I really needed it. He's a poet,

but I think he's more of a philosopher. And I can't think of anybody else that I've heard speak about what it is to be us and make sense

of our joy, our heartache, our pain, our passion, our purpose in a way that you just get.

He just has a way with words.

He's quite incredible.

So it's so that two years ago when I was turning 50,

I wanted only do one thing.

He does these walking tours all over the world.

And so I went to Western Ireland all the way from Melbourne,

a 23 and a half hour flight. And I went back to Western

Island, which is where my ancestors are from going back many hundreds of years. And I did a

walking tour with 35 other strangers from all over the world, mainly crazy Americans, and had

an amazing, a really genuinely incredible week and actually got to know David and spent

a bit of time walking with him, talking with him and drinking Irish whiskey and Guinness every

evening in the pub with him as well. So I was very excited when he was here in Australia and you can

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