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Hello and welcome to another episode of the podcast on David Ross Cutthier House, coming

to you from New York City.

Today we're joined by two special guests, Jill Doherty, Jill is the former Moscow Bureau

Chief of CNN and she is Edgard Professor at Georgetown University Center for Eurasian

Russian and East European Studies, hi Jill.

Hey there.

And we are also joined by Michael Weiss who, as you know, is a news director of New Lions

magazine and the co-author of The Menace of Unreality, how the Kremlin weaponizes information,

culture and money and also a forthcoming book on Russian espionage and one of the reasons

I was so glad to be able to have both of you here is that while there is a lot of coverage

of the war in Ukraine from different perspectives, the most elusive perspective I think for some

is how the war in Ukraine looks to Russians and of course I want to cover other dimensions

of it, but I want to start with that, both of you know Russia, Russian media, how the

Russian media is covering this and also of course how the government is handling it.

I noticed yesterday, for example, that Jill you found the speech by President Putin

about the self purification of Russia that he felt needed to go on, particularly I'm

poor and I don't want to characterize it, you can characterize it yourself, it was particularly

I'm poor, I'd like to start with that, how is Vladimir Putin trying to make this look

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