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The Playbook Podcast

From 'The Conversation': Seth Moulton on the Epstein emails, Venezuela, and the shutdown

The Playbook Podcast

POLITICO

News, Daily News, Politics, Government

3.9699 Ratings

🗓️ 16 November 2025

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

Rep. Seth Moulton (D–Mass.) is not one to shy away from criticism of his own party. He made waves in the past when he insisted that the Democrats’ approach to dialogue on transgender issues was stifling. Moulton has also been vocal about the need for generational change in an aging Washington.  This time, the Massachusetts congressman is speaking out about the deal that ended the longest government shutdown in history. And how Senate Democrats missed an opportunity to extend the Affordable Care Act subsidies “If Republicans were somehow gaining advantage here, if the polling was shifting in their favor, if they had done well in the elections last week, then I might say,’Okay, I get it. It doesn't seem like this strategy is working, so let's give up,’” says Moulton. “But Schumer has just snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.” Moulton is a veteran who served four tours in Iraq as a Marine Corps infantry officer. He’s also challenging Massachusetts Senator Ed Markey for his seat in the 2026 midterms — a feat that former Rep. Joe Kennedy III attempted and lost in 2020. “Senator Markey is a good guy,” says Moulton. “He served the country for half a century. I mean, he's been in office longer than I've been alive. He and I agree on many of the issues. He says the right things, he has great press releases, but how much has he actually gotten done?” In this week’s episode of The Conversation, Moulton talks with POLITICO’s Dasha Burns about how Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer is failing his party, why age needs to be a major consideration for lawmakers and how Senate Democrats could have done more to guarantee access to affordable healthcare. Plus, POLITICO’s Senior Congressional editor Mike DeBonis joins Dasha to discuss how the shutdown finally came to an end, which party ended up better off afterwards and how this event may shape Congress in the year to come. CORRECTION: An earlier version of this podcast misstated that former Rep. Joe Kennedy III is running against Sen. Ed Markey in  2026. Kennedy ran against Markey in 2020 but has not announced plans to run against Markey in 2026.

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0:15.1

Democrats need to do more listening. We need to listen to Americans rather than stand on a pedestal and just preach down to them.

0:24.9

Hello, hello, and welcome to The Conversation. I'm Dasha Burns, Politico's White House

0:29.8

Bureau Chief. And every week on this show, I invite one of the most compelling and sometimes

0:34.6

unexpected power players in Washington and beyond in for a chat to find out

0:40.1

how they are navigating and shaping this incredible era of American politics.

0:48.4

This week, we finally reached the end of the longest government shutdown in history. It happened after a group

0:56.0

of Senate Democrats decided to strike a deal that did not include the extension of Obamacare tax credits.

1:02.9

And many of their fellow Democrats in Congress are not too happy about it. My guess this week

1:07.6

is one of those not so happy Democrats. Massachusetts Congressman Seth Moulton.

1:12.6

I caught up with him just before the vote for the shutdown bill on the House floor.

1:16.5

And Moulton says Senate Democrats could have done more to guarantee access to affordable health care.

1:22.4

Moulton is a veteran.

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He served four tours in Iraq as a Marine Infantry Officer.

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And he's running for Senate,

1:36.1

primarying his fellow Democrat, Ed Markey. We talk about that and so much more. And later on in the show,

1:41.1

I chat with my colleague, Mike De Bonas. Mike is the senior congressional editor here at Politico.

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He's been following the story of this shutdown very, very, very closely.

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We discussed what factors finally got us to the end, what was won, what was lost, and what might happen as Congress enters the new year and beyond. But first, here's my chat with Congressman Seth

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Moulton. Congressman Seth Moulton, thank you so much for joining the conversation.

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