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Welcome to The Conversation. I'm Dasha Burns, White House Bureau Chief for Politico, and this

is the first episode of our second season.

We had a very different show plan this week, but after news of Charlie Kirk's death, we decided to pivot.

Charlie Kirk was shot and killed while speaking at an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday.

Kirk founded Turning Point USA when he was 18 years

old and turned it into one of the most influential conservative grassroots organizations in the

country. He was 31 years old and he was a larger than life figure in Republican politics.

He was controversial. He was provocative. And a lot of my work has covered

the impact and influence of a cultural shift in American politics that in many ways he helped lead.

I interviewed Charlie multiple times and our exchanges were sometimes intense. I pressed him.

He pushed back. But in the end, he was always cordial, always willing to engage.

This is obviously devastating and heartbreaking for Charlie's family and friends. And my thoughts are with

them. A lot of the conversation right now is about political violence, something that really

hits home for me. I was in Butler, Pennsylvania and witnessed the assassination

attempt on President Trump. I saw what political violence can do to really just about everyone it

touches. And I was born in Ukraine, not long after the breakup of the Soviet Union. And the idea of

coming to America came with a sense of security, that this is a country where we resolve our

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