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🗓️ 7 February 2024
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0:00.0 | This is the Guardian. The Guardian Archive Long Read. Hi my name is Matthew McNaught. |
0:14.0 | Hi my name is Matthew McNaught, I'm a writer and a therapist and I wrote the article from |
0:28.4 | Lagost to Winchester, how a divisive Nigerian pastor built a global following which was published in 2021. |
0:35.6 | So I have kind of a long history with a story of TB Joshua and I first started |
0:41.1 | writing a blog with my brother Ian back in about 2011. |
0:45.0 | When we reconnected with some old church friends, we were brought up in an evangelical church in Winchester, |
0:52.0 | who had spent over a decade as decisement. an evangelical that it was essentially a cult, you know, they're left with terrible stories of abuse and |
1:04.8 | deception and torture and psychological manipulation. So this prompted us along with some old church friends to try and publicize the darker |
1:15.1 | side of what was going on in the synagogue church of all nations in Lagos and I |
1:19.7 | came back to the story probably in about 2016 where I put together a proposal for a book about |
1:27.3 | TB Joshua and the kind of unusual and unexpected link with this very kind of middle England church in in |
1:34.4 | Winchester trying to really get my head around how my old church friends were |
1:40.4 | drawn in to such a strange and extreme place. |
1:43.6 | And I was almost kind of finished with the book |
1:46.8 | when TB Joshua suddenly died. |
1:49.4 | The BBC investigation that came out in January, |
1:52.4 | you know, really had a lot of very shocking |
1:55.2 | testimonies, the extent of the abuse and the cruelty, you know even surprised me |
2:01.6 | even though I'd heard a lot of these stories, I had rumors of some of the other stuff. |
2:06.0 | Reading the article back, one thing that stands out is that the abuse isn't front and center in the article the really dark and troubling |
2:14.6 | side of Scohan you know I talk about it but in a sense it's not the headline that |
2:20.4 | is buried part way through The story is so bizarre and so extreme. |
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