From Russia with Likes (Part 2) — with Renée DiResta

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🗓️ 1 August 2019

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

In the second part of our interview with Renée DiResta, disinformation expert, Mozilla fellow, and co-author of the Senate Intelligence Committee’s Russia investigation, she explains how social media platforms use your sense of identity and personal relationships to keep you glued to their sites longer, and how those design choices have political consequences. The online tools and tactics of foreign agents can be very precise and deliberate, but they don’t have to be -- Renée has seen how deception and uncertainty are powerful agents of distrust and easy to create. Do we really need the ease of global amplification of information-sharing that social media enables, anyway? We don’t want spam in our email inbox so why do we tolerate it in our social media feed? What would happen if we had to copy and paste and click twice, or three times? Tristan and Aza also brainstorm ways to prevent and control disinformation in the lead-up to elections, and particularly the 2020 U.S. elections.

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0:00.0	Ultimately, propagandists have to reach an audience, and so that's one of the things that we look for is when you have to reach mass numbers of people, what do you do to do it, and what makes that action visible?
0:12.0	You're listening to part two of our interview with Renee Dyresta,
0:15.0	disinformation expert and co-author of the Senate Intelligence Committee's
0:18.3	Russia investigation and a Missoula fellow.
0:21.2	If you haven't heard part one of our interview, we highly recommend you go back
0:24.7	and listen now.
0:25.7	It's an essential guide to how disinformation spreads online and why all of us, from the
0:30.7	platforms, to the users to law enforcement, have been caught flat-footed by this rapidly evolving threat.
0:36.0	But we can catch up if we take the time to look at the technology that's driving this harmful virality and take steps to stop it.
0:42.0	We'll consider a few of those solutions in part of that. this harmful virality and take steps to stop it.
0:42.6	We'll consider a few of those solutions in part two of our interview with Renee de Resta.
0:47.6	I'm Tristan Harris.
0:48.8	And I'm a is Araskin.
0:50.6	This is your undivided attention.
0:53.0	If you follow an antivax page or join an antivax group.
0:57.0	Just one of them.
1:01.0	Yeah, just one.
1:02.0	Facebook would start to show you other ones because the algorithm doesn't understand. It's amoral. It does not understand what it is showing you. It just knows that mathematically speaking if you like this you are statistically likely to like this other thing as well.
1:13.0	The word like there is so deceiving.
1:15.0	It means you hit a button in a moment of choice.
1:17.0	Like not in the sense of my whole nervous system is telling me
1:21.0	the capital L lighten, long that sort of deep human light and long desire
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