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From Russia with Likes (Part 1) — with Renée DiResta

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🗓️ 24 July 2019

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

Today’s online propaganda has evolved in unforeseeable and seemingly absurd ways; by laughing at or spreading a Kermit the Frog meme, you may be unwittingly advancing the Russian agenda. These campaigns affect our elections integrity, public health, and relationships. In this episode, the first of two parts, disinformation expert Renee DiResta talks with Tristan and Aza about how these tactics work, how social media platforms’ algorithms and business models allow foreign agents to game the system, and what these messages reveal to us about ourselves. Renee gained unique insight into this issue when in 2017 Congress asked her to lead a team of investigators analyzing a data set of texts, images and videos from Facebook, Twitter and Google thought to have been created by Russia’s Internet Research Agency. She shares what she learned, and in part two of their conversation, Renee, Tristan and Aza will discuss what steps can be taken to prevent this kind of manipulation in the future.

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0:00.0

It started with Kermit memes. A lot of Kermit Sipping Tea memes, you know kind of Kermit commenting on Miss Piggy. It's actually like kind of raunchy like the post. It was very irreverent. Then one day there's a post of Homer Simpson and it says something like I killed

0:13.5

Kermit or Kermit's taking a break or Kermit's gone now this is my page.

0:17.0

That's Renee DeResta, one of our nation's leading experts on information warfare.

0:21.0

In 2017 the Senate Intelligence Committee

0:23.5

asked Renee to investigate Russian attempts to manipulate voters

0:26.8

through social media by handing her data sets from suspicious social media

0:30.4

accounts. She started piecing together what Russian Asians

0:33.5

posted to these accounts from day one. And what's the first thing she sees? Images

0:38.1

of Kermit the frog and Homer Simpson. She's mystified. Is my data set broken or my number is pointing to the wrong things, what the hell's going on here?

0:46.0

What's going on here is one of the least understood aspects of how disinformation campaigns work.

0:51.0

Russia's campaign, for instance, didn't necessarily begin with a masterful manipulation of

0:56.6

voter sentiments.

0:58.2

Many accounts made no effort reference to politics at all.

1:01.1

Instead, they posted content that was eminently likable. They cycle

1:05.6

through beloved cultural icons like Kermit the frog, Homer Simpson, or Yosemite Sam

1:09.7

because their goal was deceptively simple.

1:12.3

Rack up followers. their goal was deceptively simple.

1:12.8

Rack up followers.

1:14.6

And so you see them doing the hashtag follow back

1:16.6

and all of you know there's like 20 hashtags, 30 hashtags

1:19.2

per post at the beginning.

1:20.6

Follow us back basically.

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