Hi there, it's Bean. Welcome to an all-new great moments in weed history in this weeds episode.

My guest is Ellen Kopp, deputy director of California Normal, author of the book,

Token Women, a 4,000-year herstery. Yep, you heard a pun in there.

And Ellen is a truly tireless cannabis activist since the early

1990s. This special live recording of the podcast took place at a conference slash camp out called

Meadowlands up in California's Emerald Triangle. I want to say a big thank you to everyone at Meadow for putting

on an event that truly embodies the culture of cannabis while also giving people a beautiful

place to be in deep communication with each other during what's, let's face it, a very difficult

time for the legal industry, particularly difficult for those of you out there doing

it for the right reasons. That's why it was so fitting to have Ellen as my guest. As a defender of this

plant and those who consume it, she has worked for decades to stop cannabis arrests and to make sure

those who need the plant medicinally

have safe legal access. Her story of being green-pilled came when she read the book,

The Emperor Wares No Clothes, Saw the Light, and then sought out that book's author.

That is indeed how she began working side by side with Jack Harrow, Rhymes with Terror,

to educate people about hemp, which, for Ellen, was the start of what she described as a lifetime appointment as a cannabis activist.

You can hear a lot more about Jack Herrer in our episode called

Jack Harror Green Pilled the World. Just look in the great moments in weed history. Archives. Spoiler

alert on that one. He was in fact a lot more than that guy that they named that strain after.

Also, I want to give a quick plug to Box Brown and his comic legalization nation,

which does an incredible job of documenting the dirty world of corporate cannabis in real time.

He's got a Kickstarter going right now to make a hardcover book out of the

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