Hello, welcome to episode number nine of the Joe DeVoe show.

I'm your host, Joanna DeVoe, but you can call me Joe,

and I am here to uplift and support my fellow creatives,

lovable weirdos, and makers of magic.

And today I have two very, very interesting special guests to help me do that

Damien and Lori Eccles a power duo who together have lived through one of the most

harrowing life experiences that I've ever heard of.

Damien was in prison for many years, almost a decade of that spent in solitary confinement

for a heinous crime.

He did not commit and he and Lori fell in love while he was in prison.

And they both credit magic for saving their lives.

So you can probably tell just from that brief description that this is going to be a unique special interview and it is.

I'm so excited to finally get to share this with you.

We're going to talk about their life experience.

We're going to talk about the new book that they co-wrote together, Ritual and Essential

Grimmar, which is basically a spellbook of rituals and meditations

for protection joy love luck prosperity creativity spiritual insight and all that good stuff presented in

plain accessible language that anyone can use and

I think that's the thing I appreciate the most about their writing is it so accessible there's

nothing about it that is pretentious or out of reach and the same can be said for their personality. These are very warm people.

And I had such a wonderful time talking to them. And I've been waiting for many weeks to share this with you.

So this is it. This is the whole intro. I'm just going to hop right into it because I can't wait for you to listen to this.

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