Hello, everyone. You're listening to Family Talk, a radio broadcasting ministry of the James Dobson Family Institute.

I'm Dr. James Dobson, and thank you for joining us for this program.

Well, welcome to Family Talk, the broadcast division of the Dr. James Dobson Family Institute.

I'm Roger Marsh, and today we're continuing a remarkable conversation featuring Dr. Dobson and Dr. Carol Swain.

Now, Dr. Swain grew up in rural poverty as one of 12 children, often missing a lot of school simply to survive.

Later, she would go on to earn not one, but five college degrees,

and also teach at some of America's most prestigious universities.

But academic success and professional accolades left her searching for something more.

So stay with us right now as Dr. Swain shares her extraordinary journey from poverty

to Ph.D. right here on Family Talk. Doctor? Well, those of you who were with us yesterday

heard the story, the early home life and experience in college of Dr. Carol Swain.

And she had just graduated from high school when we got to that point at the end of the program.

If you didn't hear that broadcast, you really ought to find it on the Internet.

I mean, it's just an app away and listen because you're going to really be moved by

what you're going to hear today.

But it begins with what we said yesterday.

Carol, thank you for being back with us.

And I want to tell you a story.

You told me one yesterday.

I had a friend named David Hernandez.

David came out of utter poverty in Mexico.

And his father was a Christian and a Seventh-day Adventist Christian, and the whole family was Christian.

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