Hello, everyone. You're listening to Family Talk, a radio broadcasting ministry of the James Dobson Family Institute.

I'm Dr. James Dobson, and thank you for joining us for this program.

Well, welcome to Family Talk. I'm Roger Marsh. On today's program, we're going to hear a story of remarkable transformation, literally from a two-room shack with no indoor plumbing, to the halls of academia. Our guest is Dr. Carol Swain, and she grew up as one of 12 children in rural Virginia, facing poverty, family dysfunction, and limited opportunities.

And yet, through God's providence and her own determination, she would rise to become an accomplished

author and respected professor. Dr. Swain's journey from dropping out of school to earning a PhD

reminds us that with faith and perseverance, no obstacle is too great to overcome with

God's help. Let's get into this fascinating conversation as she talks with Dr. James Dobson about

her story right here on Family Talk.

You're about to meet a woman with a fascinating story to tell.

I met her at a conference, and she stood up and talked at one point in the meeting.

And I was so taken with her that afterwards I walked over and introduced myself

and even mentioned the possibility of

you're being a guest on the program speaking to my guest.

She has named Dr. Carol Swain.

If you don't know her, you should.

She's written six books and she has had quite an experience through the years, and her journey is unlike anything I've ever heard.

Carol, welcome to Family Talk. Thank you. It's quite a pleasure.

I am delighted to have you here, and I want you to take us back to your childhood and give us a glimpse of, I called it a journey, your journey through life.

And it began with you being one of 12 children in a state of abject poverty.

Yes, I was born and raised in rural Virginia,

a little community called Chambersburg that was so small that, you know,

if you bat at your eye, you could just pass right through it.

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