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The Man Enough Podcast

From Misogyny's Victim to Male Privilege with Schuyler Bailar | What's Underneath: Masculinity

The Man Enough Podcast

Wayfarer Studios LLC

Education, Health & Fitness, Society & Culture, Self-improvement, Mental Health

4.8 • 1.1K Ratings

🗓️ 7 December 2023

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp, the world’s largest therapy platform. Visit http://BetterHelp.com/WhatsUnderneath today to get 10% off your first month. Schuyler Bailar, influential athlete, author, educator, and vocal LGBTQ+ advocate, shares his transformative journey. As the first publicly documented NCAA D1 transgender man to compete as a man in any sport, Schuyler's story is at the forefront of the debate on trans athletes in college sports. Assigned female at birth, Schuyler opens up about the internal struggle he faced in accepting his own boyhood, initially associating masculinity with harmful behaviors​​. He offers candid insight into the performance of masculinity, highlighting how many boys and men seek validation solely within the male gaze, rooted in a desperate need for belonging. A gifted swimmer, Schuyler's passion and talent have been constant through his journey of self-discovery. He provides an intimate look at locker room dynamics, offering a unique perspective on male bonding rituals and the quest for peer validation. His decision to join Harvard’s men's swim team, after being initially recruited for the women's team, was more than a sports headline. This choice was the first statement of his personal truth, and also marked a significant moment in sports history, challenging norms and sparking discussions on inclusivity in athletics. Schuyler's story is a testament to the strength of character and authenticity, demonstrating how embracing one’s true identity can be a powerful tool for challenging and redefining societal norms. What’s Underneath: Masculinity is Man Enough’s series in partnership with StyleLikeU with new episodes every Thursday. Watch shorter video episodes: http://YouTube.com/StyleLikeU Man Enough Podcast episodes will continue every Monday. IN THIS EPISODE: (05:08) Feeling like an other, sports as a “girl on a boy’s team” (07:16) First relationship to gender (10:00) Being perceived as a cis man and erasure of trans identity (21:19) Experiencing misogyny as a man vs woman; empathy for men (32:34) Swim team, mental health, eating disorder (35:13) Rehab, discovering trans identity (46:01) Top surgery (51:23) Joining Harvard men’s swim team vs women’s (54:01) Men’s locker rooms; calling men in (1:07:14) What does it mean to be “man enough”? SCHUYLER QUOTATIONS: “My takeaway is that if I can call somebody in…if I can get a moment where I can actually talk to somebody and connect about an experience, there's actually real change to be had." “In the locker room, I'd see somebody tell a joke and immediately scan the room to see who else is going to respond and to give them validation...Those dynamics were so striking to me because I hadn't interacted with them in the same way before, and I hadn't been expected to participate in them either...I think that was the most terrifying moment, when I realized I had a desire to engage in the behaviors, because I had spent so long thinking all these things were horrible…Do I engage so that I can belong or stand by my values and risk belonging?” FOLLOW SCHUYLER BAILAR: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pinkmantaray TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@pinkmantaray Site: https://www.pinkmantaray.com/ Book, HE/SHE/THEY: https://www.pinkmantaray.com/he-she-they FOLLOW MAN ENOUGH: Instagram: http://instagram.com/wearemanenough TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@wearemanenough Facebook: http://facebook.com/WeAreManEnough YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/wearemanenough Newsletter: https://manenough.com/newsletter FOLLOW STYLELIKEU: Instagram: http://instagram.com/stylelikeu TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@stylelikeu Facebook: http://facebook.com/stylelikeu YouTube: http://YouTube.com/StyleLikeU Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

When I was in high school I thought that boys were just bad. I was like boys

0:08.8

like boys suck they're mean and I think in a lot of ways that actually delayed my

0:12.4

transition because I didn't want to accept my own boy and manhood with with toxic behaviors

0:18.0

Then I stepped on to a men's team right I walked into a men's locker room filled with only other sis men at the time,

0:24.4

but I watched them interact and I realized that as they did they were vying for each other's attention

0:29.3

that toxic masculinity performs for nobody but other men.

0:32.4

I think the way toxic masculinity works

0:34.1

is that it all functions because men want to belong and they are told the way that

0:38.2

they belong is to engage in these toxic behaviors. And I think that was the most

0:42.2

terrifying moment when I realized I had a desire to engage

0:46.1

in the behaviors because I had spent so long thinking all these things were horrible and why

0:49.7

would anybody engage? But then I sat in this room wanting to belong.

0:53.0

Hello friends, I'm Justin Baldoni.

0:58.0

And this is Jamie Heath from the Man Inff Podcast.

1:01.0

And as you might know, we're releasing new episodes of a brand new series we are producing

1:05.2

with our friends at Style Like You, it's their YouTube channel, every Thursday through the end of the

1:10.4

year and this series is called What's Underneath

1:13.8

Masculinity and it's presented by our sponsor better help. Now today we're

1:18.1

going to be talking to a friend of the Man Enough podcast Skyler Baylor.

1:22.3

Skyler is a professional swimmer and the first

1:24.8

transgender male athlete to compete in any sport on an NCAA Division 1

1:29.5

Men's team. Skyler is an active writer in fact he's got a brand new book that just came out called

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