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The Man Enough Podcast

Canceling “Cancel Culture”: Loretta J. Ross on Empathy & Activism

The Man Enough Podcast

Wayfarer Studios LLC

Education, Health & Fitness, Society & Culture, Self-improvement, Mental Health

4.81.1K Ratings

🗓️ 5 December 2023

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Summary

Loretta J. Ross is canceling “cancel culture.” Join Justin, Jamey, and Liz for an insightful masterclass with the legendary activist and scholar. Together, they dissect the ineffectiveness of our prevalent “call out culture” and explore Loretta’s proven strategies to promote a culture of empathy and accountability. With a career spanning over five decades, Ross has been a formidable force in social justice, from fighting apartheid, and de-radicalizing white supremacist, (11:47) to pioneering the women’s movement and co-creating the theory of reproductive justice. In this discussion, she delves into her transformative approach of 'calling in vs. calling out,' (04:53) advocating for empathetic, respectful dialogue over the confrontational public shaming prevalent in online activism. (24:05) Ross’s method challenges 'cancel culture,' aiming to bridge divides and promote growth through constructive conversations. Her insights offer a blueprint in navigating complex social issues with compassion and understanding. (53:25) Watch this episode on YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/wearemanenough (RECORDED OCT 3rd) Sign up for the Man Enough newsletter to get full video episodes and positive masculinity news every Monday: http://manenough.com/newsletter The Man Enough Podcast is produced by Wayfarer Studios and presented by Procter and Gamble, in partnership with Cadence13, an Audacy company. Timecodes: (00:00) - Episode Begins (00:12) - Are we becoming sensitive as a culture? (03:00) - Welcome Loretta J Ross (04:53) - What does it mean to “Call In?” (11:47) - Reforming Neo-Nazi’s and Fighting for reproductive justice (24:05) - Young people & cancel culture (36:37) - Complex people, make complex mistakes (53:25) - 5 ways to respond to injustice and harm (1:04:14) - The beauty of calling- in Quotes: "A calling in is a call out done with love. You're still pursuing accountability. You're not giving people a pass on injustice." - Loretta J. Ross “I want real people around me. I don't need a martyr and I don't need an asshole. I need real people.” - Loretta J. Ross "We've taught young people radical politics but we haven't taught them the politics of radical love." - Loretta J. Ross “If you're not having fun fighting for human rights, you need to check out whether you're doing it the right way." - Loretta J. Ross Guest Socials LORETTA J. ROSS Instagram: @lorettajross Twitter: @LorettaJRoss About Loretta J. Ross Loretta J. Ross is an esteemed Associate Professor at Smith College and a renowned activist and scholar. Ross is credited as a pioneer in women’s reproductive rights, working as the director of the first rape crisis center in the country and co-creating the theory of reproductive justice. Ross’s upcoming book Calling In the Calling Out Culture is set to release early 2025. For more insight into building a better culture of accountability, Join Loretta’s next virtual workshop “Advancing Calling In” starting december 9th at Lorettajross.com Support Man Enough Man Enough Newsletter: https://manenough.com/newsletter Man Enough book: https://manenough.com/books Boys Will Be Human book: https://boyswillbehuman.com Follow The Hosts Justin Baldoni https://instagram.com/justinbaldoni https://www.tiktok.com/@justinbaldoni https://facebook.com/justinbaldoni https://twitter.com/justinbaldoni Text Justin: +1 (310) 845-6909 Liz Plank https://instagram.com/feministabulous https://tiktok.com/@lizplank https://facebook.com/feministabulous https://twitter.com/feministabulous http://www.elizabethplank.com/ Jamey Heath https://instagram.com/jamey_heath_ https://tiktok.com/@jameyheath https://twitter.com/jamey_heath_ https://facebook.com/jameyjaz http://www.jameyheath.com/ #boys #men #masculinity #cancelculture #callingin #accountability #cancel #culture #LorettaJRoss #Forgiveness #socialmedia Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hey everyone. Before we jump in, I just want to warn you that today's episode contains content and stories that may be alarming to some listeners.

0:08.0

So please check the show notes for more detailed descriptions.

0:11.0

Thanks so much.

0:12.0

Coming up on Maninoff. details. as a culture. Our ability to see harm is evolving so that things that we would have given a pass to only a few years ago, we no longer have to give a pass to it. Calling people out is our tactic of last resort. It's not the first thing you do.

0:36.9

You try to talk to people first, you ask them questions first. People either deny that they've done any harm and claim to be misunderstood

0:44.8

and all of that, which is probably true in their eyes, or they fall on their swords like they

0:50.1

can't do enough mere couples. Either one of those doesn't work for me. I want real people around me.

0:57.1

I don't need a martyr and I don't need an asshole. I need real people.

1:02.0

Oh! I need real people. Being man enough, what does that mean?

1:07.0

It's really manly to mess up, admit you're wrong, and then grow.

1:11.0

I couldn't accept that I was evil, So maybe I'm broken, but those broken things could be correctly.

1:16.4

Intimacy between a father and a son is me just wanting to like, put my head of your lap.

1:21.4

I love you son. You haven't called me benevolent sexist but my experience is

1:26.3

women are better. Even if it's a positive it's still not equality. I don't blame

1:30.6

men for that I just blame the system this is man enough

1:37.0

hello everybody and welcome to man enough. Wow okay. I'm Justin Baldoni. I'm

1:48.3

Liz Plank. I'm Jamie Heath. All right so look I just want to jump into this one.

1:53.0

So you both know, I've been trying to get this particular person on our podcast for at least two years.

2:00.0

Emily introduced me to her.

2:02.0

I don't remember if she was listening to a

2:04.0

podcast or what it was, but then I went in and did a deep dive and became such a fan boy

2:12.0

of her work and I'm just so thrilled to have Loretta J Ross on the show

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