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Quillette Podcast

From Cult Child to Chess Wunderkind

Quillette Podcast

Quillette

Politics, Science, Society & Culture, News, News Commentary

4.4929 Ratings

🗓️ 20 October 2025

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

Quillette podcast host Jonathan Kay speaks with Danny Rensch about his astounding journey from the ‘Church of Immortal Consciousness’ to the role of Chief Chess Officer at Chess.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

300 sensors.

0:03.0

Over a million data points per second.

0:06.0

How does F1 update their fans with every stat in real time?

0:10.0

AWS is how.

0:13.0

From fastest laps to strategy calls,

0:15.0

AWS puts fans in the pit.

0:19.0

It's not just racing, it's data-driven innovation at 200 miles per hour.

0:25.4

AWS is how leading businesses power next-level innovation.

0:31.8

Welcome to the Quillette podcast, hosted on alternate weeks by me, Jonathan Kay, and by Iona Italia. Quillette is where

0:40.5

Freethought lives. We are an independent grassroots platform for heterodox ideas and fearless

0:46.0

commentary. You are about to hear a free preview of this week's episode. To hear the full episode,

0:52.4

and to get access to all our podcasts and articles,

0:56.1

visit us at quillette.com and click the subscribe button. And on today's episode, I'll be talking

1:03.5

to Danny Rinch, the chief chess officer of chess.com, about his new book, Dark Squares.

1:10.4

Except the interview you're about to hear actually has very little to do with chess. That's because becoming a childhood chess prodigy and co-founding a massively successful chess website weren't even the most interesting parts of Danny's life. As Quillette readers who've seen my review of Dark Moves will know, Danny

1:28.7

Wrench was born into an Arizona-based cult called the Church of Immortal Consciousness,

1:34.0

which was started up by a husband and wife couple named Stephen and Trina Camp. Danny

1:39.6

spent his childhood at the cult compound, known as the collective, in a remote Arizona village called

1:46.2

Tonto. There, Trina would preach to the membership by entering a trans state and channeling

1:53.4

the supposed wisdom of a 14th century English medicine man whom she called Dr. Duran. It was a weird and at times abuse of Milia, and one that

2:04.0

Danny escaped successfully only because of his genius at chess. By the time he was a teenager,

2:10.0

Danny was traveling around Arizona, and then the United States, winning chess tournaments

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