From Capone to Genovese and Luciano: A Violent History of the Mafia
Gangland Wire
Gary Jenkins
4.6 • 647 Ratings
🗓️ 23 February 2026
⏱️ 35 minutes
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Summary
The discussion opens with omertà , the Mafia’s infamous code of silence, and how mob warfare enforced loyalty through fear. Sussman recounts notorious hits and mob wars that shaped organized crime, then shifts to landmark prosecutions led by Thomas Dewey, whose relentless pursuit of Murder Incorporated dismantled the mob’s most feared execution squad.
The conversation moves through defining moments in Mafia history, including the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre, the creation of New York’s Five Families, and the uneasy alliance between Italian and Jewish gangsters brokered at the Franconia Hotel. Figures such as Al Capone, Meyer Lansky, Lucky Luciano, and Lepke Buchalter loom large throughout the episode.
Jenkins and Sussman examine the disastrous Appalachian Conference, where Vito Genovese overplayed his hand, drawing national attention to the Mafia and setting the stage for informants like Joe Valachi to break decades of secrecy.
The episode also explores the Mafia’s darkest execution methods, including lupara bianca—murders designed to leave no body and no evidence—along with chilling stories involving Mad Sam DeStefano. The assassination attempt on Joe Colombo, and its ties to Joey Gallo, highlight how ego and publicity often proved fatal in the mob world.
The episode concludes with Sussman previewing his upcoming book on the Garment District, blending personal family history with organized crime’s grip on American industry. Together, Jenkins and Sussman deliver a sweeping, chronological look at how the Mafia rose, fractured, and endured—leaving a permanent mark on American culture. Get his book Mafia Hits, Misses, Wars, and Prosecutions.
⏱️ Episode Chapters
00:00 – Introduction and Jeffrey Sussman’s Mafia work
03:45 – Omertà and enforcing silence
07:30 – Mafia hits and internal wars
12:10 – Thomas Dewey and Murder Incorporated
18:40 – St. Valentine’s Day Massacre
23:30 – Formation of the Five Families
28:50 – Italian and Jewish mob alliances
34:20 – Capone, Lansky, and Luciano
39:45 – Appalachian Conference fallout
45:10 – Vito Genovese and Joe Valachi
50:30 – Lupara blanca and body disposal
55:20 – Mad Sam DeStefano’s brutality
59:40 – Joe Colombo assassination
1:05:30 – Betrayal and mob survival
1:10:50 – Sussman’s upcoming Garment District book
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, welcome all you wiretappers back here in studio of Gangland Wire. As you can see, this is Gary Jenkins, |
| 0:05.3 | retired Kansas City Police Intelligence Unit Detective and later Sergeant. I have a guest today. |
| 0:12.3 | He is a prolific author about the mob in the United States. We have several interviews in the |
| 0:19.3 | archives with Jeffrey Sussman. Welcome, Jeffrey. |
| 0:23.2 | Thank you, Gary. It's a pleasure to be with you once again. All right. How many mob books you got? |
| 0:29.0 | Eight or nine, I think. Eight or nine. I know you've covered Tenseltown, the L.A. families, the |
| 0:35.1 | crime in L.A., the Chicago. What are? I did Las Vegas, which had a number of the Chicago outfit members in it. I did Big Apple Gangsters. |
| 0:46.4 | Oh, yeah. My last one was Backbeat Gangsters about the rock music business. |
| 0:50.3 | Oh, yeah. |
| 0:51.2 | And then I did also one about boxing in the mob, how the mob controlled boxing. |
| 0:56.8 | And then my new book is Mafia hits, Mrs. Wars, and Prosecutions. The update is February 19. |
| 1:05.1 | All right. Guys, this, when I release this, we're doing this, actually, we're doing this before Christmas, |
| 1:10.5 | but when this comes out, while you'll be able to go to the Amazon link that I release this, we're doing this, actually we're doing this before Christmas, but when this comes out, |
| 1:12.3 | while you'll be able to go to the Amazon link that I'll have in there and get that book, |
| 1:16.9 | we'll have, you'll see a picture of it as we go along so you'll know what the cover looks like. |
| 1:20.9 | It sounds really interesting, especially about the mafia misses. |
| 1:26.0 | I'm sure that's interesting. |
| 1:29.0 | Well, they, the mob, that's their way of enforcing their rules. |
| 1:36.6 | The omerta, somebody talks, they're going to rub you out, supposedly. |
| 1:40.7 | And by mob, we're talking about primarily La Costa Nostra, Sicilian-based, organized crime |
| 1:46.3 | in the United States. The five families particularly have brought this at front. The five families |
| 1:54.7 | have really perfected this as an art, killing their rivals, killing people that threaten them in any way, killing people that |
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