Midmorning with Mike Graham, Talk Radio.

Now, before we talk to Sir John Redwood, Conservative MP, of course, for Awokingham,

let's just have a listen to Grant Shaps, the Secretary of State for Transport,

on what he said about calling people back from Portugal.

This is a difficult decision.

I understand that, you know, we are all desperate to see the world return to normal.

That can only happen through the domestic unlock first.

We all look towards the 21st of June to see what can be done and the data.

And we simply don't want to put that at risk through these figures, as we say, as we've

seen in Portugal, both the doubling of the positivity

rate that we've seen and also this mutation, the so-called Nepal mutation on the so-called

Indian variant, which could then cause us problems down the line. So safety first to get

our own lockdown.

Yes, the support for the travel

industry, who goodness knows have suffered throughout this crisis is ongoing. We've got seven billion

pounds worth of support, which is still being paid out right now, including through the furlough

scheme. Look, what I want to do with today is difficult, I hope decisive action is make sure that we protect

the future by not restarting problems which may or may not be there at home, we'll be

able to get international travel down the line opened more quickly.

So it's a sort of safety first approach which I see that Gatwick and others have said is an understandable approach.

So this was less than a couple of weeks ago, the Nepal variant.

Anybody remember that?

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