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What is the image we have of modern Australia?

For tonight's free thinking, we brought together the authors of two very different books

for a wide-ranging conversation, which covers the views of prime ministers from John Howard to Julia Gillard,

through land rights and suburban

sprawl to the problem with competitive sport. Novelist Christos Cholkis came to international prominence

with the slap as readers around the world found plenty to recognise in his anger-filled tale of

immigrant aspiration and suburban entrapment. His new novel Barakuda is set in the same world

and explores the rise and fall of a working-class swimming champion Danny, who flies close to

the sun of the Australian sporting dream with a scholarship to an exclusive prep school.

White Beach by Germain Greer is an account of her attempt to rehabilitate a stretch of rainforest

on the New South Wales Queensland border. Greer and Cholkis came on free thinking, along with the

Aboriginal leader Pat Dodson. I began by asking Germain Greer, could she define what kind of Australia

she was writing about in White Beach?

Well, it would be country I was writing about.

Even when I wrote the book about my father, which is called Daddy We Hardly New You,

I didn't find out anything about my father for nine-tenths of the book.

But what I did find out was the state of the country I was born in,

which I don't call my country or my home,

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