Free Speech Tsar: Arif Ahmed on how to avoid the 'abyss' of political violence
Political Thinking with Nick Robinson
BBC
4.6 • 2.5K Ratings
🗓️ 10 October 2025
⏱️ 45 minutes
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Summary
How do you protect and police freedom of speech on campus and in society?
Arif Ahmed is a Cambridge Philosopher who is now responsible for enforcing new freedom of speech rules on universities, colleges and students.
He took office at a time when there is particular focus on a vexed question: where the boundary should lie between free speech - which should be protected - and speech that threatens, intimidates and leaves people feeling unsafe, which can and should be restricted.
He talks to Nick about why he ended up so passionate about this subject, and warns of society falling into an "abyss" of political violence.
Producer: Daniel Kraemer Research: Chloe Desave Sound: Ged Sudlow and Fiona Fairmaner Editors: Giles Edwards and Leela Padmanabhan
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| 0:28.2 | I pass a statue of George Orwell, with the inscription beneath it, freedom is the right to tell people |
| 0:34.6 | what they do not want to hear. That freedom has never been more contested. |
| 0:39.2 | On the one hand, each and every one of us now has the ability, unthinkable a few years back, |
| 0:44.4 | to say and publish what we like online and have our views share potentially with millions of others. |
| 0:50.9 | On the other, some fear that that freedom is in truth a licence to promote hatred, |
| 0:56.7 | division and fear. And the events of recent days have shone a huge light on that vexed debate, |
| 1:04.6 | with protests on university campuses in which some have celebrated the events of October the 7th behind a banner in one case |
| 1:14.4 | with the phrase glory to our martyrs. My guest on political thinking this week is Araf Ahmed, |
| 1:22.1 | an academic, a philosopher, before he took the job of being what some call the free speech czar. |
| 1:28.6 | If we don't learn to settle differences, really important political differences through speech, |
| 1:33.8 | which is an alternative to violence, then ultimately we will be staring into the abyss. |
| 1:38.7 | Ahmed's official job title is Director for Freedom of Speech and Academic Freedom at the Office for Students. |
| 1:46.6 | In a moment, we'll hear a long conversation we recorded a few weeks ago about free speech, |
| 1:53.2 | about the law, and why he cares so much about it. But given what has happened in the past week, |
| 2:00.2 | I asked him to come back to bring us up to date |
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