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From the V-A-Media podcast network, this is Channels with Peter Kofka.

That is me.

I'm also the chief correspondent at Business Insider.

And today we're talking about my ability to talk on this podcast.

And for the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times and every other publisher to publish hard-hitting stories about powerful people and institutions,

about local newspapers or bloggers or really any American, having the ability to speak and

write without fear that a rich person or a powerful business can tie them up in court.

This is something most of us take for granted, and it's because of rights established under

a 1964 Supreme Court case, and those rights in that case are

very much under attack right now. Here to talk with me about that case, it's called New York Times

v. Sullivan, is David Enrich, who both works for the Times. He runs their business investigations

and has just written a book about the case, and it's after effects and what's happening now.

We also talk about threats to the press that

aren't directly tied to Times versus Holvin, like, say, Donald Trump suing CBS over a 60 minutes

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