Hello and welcome. This is Frank Skinner. I am sitting with, I'm going to be straight one of my heroes, Russell T. Davis.

Stop it, stop it. No, no. I'm not going to stop it.

You always say that, Russell.

Every night. And you know me, me.

Russell, of course, has written many fabulous TV dramas. I'm including Doctor Who.

Yes.

But lots of other stuff, which we'll talk about.

Thank you.

But I'm always happy to bump into you,

but I didn't expect to bump into you

on what I would call the poetry book tour.

Even odder, I've illustrated a poetry book.

I didn't even write the poems.

No.

I've drawn the cartoons, which surprises me.

No one's more surprised than me, Frank.

Well, I thought I was a bit of a fanboy of you, but I didn't know you were an artist.

Well, I've kind of scribbled.

And I started out.

My very first job was in BBC graphics of BBC Wales,

drawing Jack Anori- type stories and in the Welsh

language. And so I always... You drew in the Welsh language. That took some doing with those double

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