Hello and welcome, this is Frank Skinner. I am sitting with, I'm going to be

strike one of my heroes, Russell T. Dave. Stop it, stop it. No, no, I'm not going to stop it.

You always say that, Russell. Every night. And you don't mean it.

Russell, of course, has written many fabulous TV dramas. I'm including Doctor Who.

Yes. In that, but lots of other stuff, which we'll talk about.

Thank you. But I'm always happy to bump into you, but I didn't expect to bump into you

on what I would call the poetry book, too, eh? Even order, I've illustrated a poetry book.

I didn't even write the poems. No, I've drawn the cartoons, which surprises me. No one's more

surprised than me, Frank. Well, I thought I was a bit of a fanboy of you, but I didn't know you were

an artist. Well, I've kind of scribbled and I started out my very first job was in BBC

graphics, the BBC Wales drawing Jack and Ori type stories and in the Welsh language. And so I

always ruined the Welsh language. That took some doing with those double L's.

So I did that, but then life took over and I worked in Tally and then the writing took over.

So it's always been there. I'm not going to say as a skill, but as a hobby. I've always...

So you've continued to draw. If I had a pen in front of me now, I would just naturally be

scribbling and drawing and doing it. I would cover my school desks with stuff.

Because I have a five-year-old child and he... I was leaving the day and he said,

you're going to come back. I said, I won't see you tonight. I'll be back a bit late.

And he said, do you want me to do a quick drawing of me and for you to remind you what I look like?

And I thought at what point do we start drawing all the time?

Because it's the point. We stop playing. I know. Somewhere in those yards we tell people to stop.

People say to me, why do you write? And you go, well, we all do my kids. We all play war and

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