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🗓️ 24 August 2023
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0:00.0 | You're listening to the fuck sexton show podcast make sure you subscribe to the podcast on the I heart radio app or wherever you get your podcasts. |
0:10.0 | Hey, welcome to the buck sexton show. We have Frank Paven with us now. He is the founder of priests for life, which do incredibly important work defending unborn or pre-born babies. |
0:24.0 | Frank, I met you a new you as father, Paven. So I wanted to start with this because now you are frank. I guess you were always frank, but we we leave off the Roman collar and tell everybody what happened. I've never honestly I've never even heard of this happening before. |
0:41.0 | Well, Buck, you know, usually it happens when priests do something very, very wrong, but yeah, I've served as a Catholic priest for 30, 35 years. And for 30 of those years, the last 30 years, I've been leading this priest for life ministry full time work to work to end abortion. |
0:59.0 | And in doing that, you know, I mean, we've got to be real about how we end abortion. That includes getting involved in the political realm. And so I've been very outspoken against the Democrat party. |
1:10.0 | Some church leaders are really in tight with the Democrats and they just didn't want a priest saying the kind of things I've been saying over the years. |
1:19.0 | They've actually been trying to limit my work for the last 20 years. And they've it's been one excuse after another, you know, you try to you try to follow what they're asking you to do. And then they're always changing the goal posts. |
1:32.0 | Basically, then in the end of it, at the end of last year, some of these church leaders that oppose our work, convince Pope Francis to actually dismiss me from the priesthood. |
1:42.0 | And many even cardinals within the church are all like outrage at this. They're saying, you know, we do this for a priest that have committed terrible crimes, not for somebody who, you know, we don't like his message and nothing, nothing in the message was contrary to Catholic faith. They just don't like the politics. |
1:57.0 | But that's what I was going to say. That's what I've heard of priests being kicked out for terrible things. You said, I've never heard of a priest who was it was was anything, you know, kicked out for effectively politics like partisan politics. |
2:09.0 | Was anything that you were espousing publicly against church doctrine? |
2:15.0 | No, no, not at all. In fact, I repeatedly have told them over all these years, if I've said a single thing, that's contrary to church teaching, let me know and I'll correct it. |
2:25.0 | You know, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a believing Catholic. I adhere to everything that the church teaches. And so I want to be corrected if I go wrong, you know, in terms of that. |
2:33.0 | But no, they haven't been able to, you know, they tried one thing after another. They, they, they, they, they, they really never complained that it was, that it was a doctrinally erroneous. |
2:42.0 | But I, you know, they used the usual lines of attack. Oh, we got to investigate your finances. Well, whether it was the audits that we get every year from independent auditors or even the Vatican who took a look at our finances, they all said everything was in order. |
2:57.0 | So they, they couldn't find anything along those lines. So then they kept saying, oh, you're not being obedient, you know, to your bishop. And well, you know, I have been. |
3:07.0 | The fact of the matter is that, you know, for the longest time, the bishop I was under said that I didn't have any assignment. Now I had my, my full time role with priest for life, like I'd still do. |
3:19.0 | So I had work that I was doing. But he said, oh, you don't have an assignment. So you can't have it both ways. You can't say, well, you didn't obey your bishop. And the meantime, the bishop is, is not telling you anything that you need to do. |
3:29.0 | So the whole thing is ridiculous. But the good news is I'm able to continue this pro-life work. And we're making great progress. |
3:37.0 | I want to ask you about the pro-life work and the importance of that momentarily. I just, again, Frank, I just need to understand. |
3:45.0 | What is it that you were doing that other or saying, I should say, you didn't do anything. What is it that you were saying that upset other priest so much? |
3:54.0 | Like, what were the issues that were making them angry? |
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