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First Things Podcast

Francis and Following

First Things Podcast

First Things

Religion & Spirituality

4.6699 Ratings

🗓️ 29 April 2025

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

The editors discuss Pope Francis, whose twelve-year pontificate ended with his death on Easter Monday. Then the staff preview their picks for the upcoming conclave. Rusty Reno and Dan Hitchens join Julia Yost.

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0:00.0

Welcome to the First Things podcast.

0:06.0

On this episode, we remember Pope Francis, the man who inspired and sometimes exasperated Catholics of all ideological persuasions for 12 years.

0:16.0

Then, staff picks for the conclave.

0:18.0

I'm joined by First Things editor Rusty Reno and Senior Editor Dan Hitchens.

0:23.0

I'm Senior Editor Julia Yost. Thanks for joining us.

0:28.9

Pope Francis died on Easter Monday morning at age 88 after a 12-year pontificate. The first ever

0:35.6

Jesuit Pope and the first pope from Latin America, born

0:38.9

Jorge Maria Burgolio. Francis brought a new accent to the papacy, carrying his own suitcase,

0:45.0

paying his own hotel bill, eloquent on topics such as the environment, and the plight of migrants

0:50.2

and other oppressed groups. He was hailed as the great reformer by his biographer, Austin Ivory,

0:55.9

and was expected by many observers to check some items on the liberal Catholic wish list.

1:01.2

Divorce and remarriage, gay marriage. He sort of did, sort of didn't. One item he checked was

1:06.8

exasperate conservatives. First things was, I think it's fair to say, an early critic of

1:12.0

Francis from a doctrinal standpoint, and we took some criticism for that. And five or six years ago,

1:17.8

everyone caught up with our critique right around the time that we got kind of exhausted with it.

1:22.0

But we have published on Francis when it made sense to do so, and since his death, first things.com,

1:27.3

has provided ample and, I think, first things.com, has provided ample

1:28.6

and, I think, charitable coverage, beginning with Rusty's retrospective, the Jesuit Pope.

1:33.9

Rusty, can you summarize that?

1:37.1

Jesuit, I mean, St. Ignatius, the founder of the Society of Jesus, known as Jesuits,

1:43.6

he had a vision of an apostolate where men would

1:49.1

go through a spiritual formation that would clarify the one task that God was calling him to do,

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