Welcome back to Finn versus history.

I'm here with the race show goals.

And Tom Gilby's with us.

Look at that.

An actual expert.

It was a diversity outreach program. Yes. Thought we'd want to cross the divide. We wanted to make sure that we had a lot of different voices, diverse set of voices in this podcast, you know. I thought it was getting too stuffy. Yes, it was. There were too many privately educated white men on the show. And so we've got one who is so posh. They could be homosexual. I think that's as far as we'll go. Yeah, it's about as far as we'll push it. Tom, thank you so much for joining us. My pleasure, I think. You're one of our most popular guests on Fin v. The first guest to do the double now of the history. First guest to look comfortable in a suit first gets to not

attach you a pair of smart shoes and not just bring his trainers yes you don't look like you're

showing up to a court appearance for once you look like you're the judge yeah the judge the judge

of wine the kC tom you're the wine expert we've been talking about wine yeah now how are you on

wine history try me yeah so we've done the ancient world. Yeah. We've done Dionysus, or geastic filth. Yeah. We charted its transformation through people tearing goats apart, fucking each other in the forest. Yeah. To Christians having a sip with a biscuit. Which is where it's, what it's all about is we have the Christians and their biscuits to thank. Do you think? A lot of it we do. Right. The good stuff. How come? So where are we going to start? Well, fill us in. I mean, we're going to just go with the early modern period, but please, any, any information, please stuff us. Should we go? staff our asses for Mr John, should we go take us back

to the old school place put the

a lemon in my ass tom and put me in the oven shut a cork up my ass and tell me about wine would you

and i'll put you in christopher columbus's boat and we'll go across the place yes please please do

okay so it all really i I think, an interesting point is when the Spanish went over and had a little crack at the Caribbean. You can call it that. And start, is that what they call it? Let's have a crack. Yeah. Crack at the whip. And so they started planting vines in the Caribbean, which is positively shit place to plant vines. Yes. Because they needed wine. These are tonic wine vines. Yeah. Took a while out. Yeah, get there in the end. Don't worry. It just takes a warm. Sure. Sorry, of course. So for the, for the Catholic Mass, they need wine. Yes. And they couldn't, or they couldn't import enough Spanish wine. So they'd plant their own in the Caribbean. Because is wine, now is wine surviving that journey in this day and age? No. No, it's going off. It's going off. I mean, it was all off, even before it did the journey, a lot of it then. Right. Because it's Spanish wine?

Is that your opinion of Spanish wine?

Is it all off? So it's buckfast is what the early wines were sort of. Yeah, but that's a very special wine for the Scots, not the Spanish. Yeah, that's Scottish. Yeah. That's my national drink. It's made in Devon by monks. Is it? But drunk by Scots.

Monks still make buckfast.

Monks still make buckfast. A lot of alcoholic drinks are like abbeys and monk, uh, clergy's. They kind of built. Yes. Yeah. And the Scottish drink a lot of it. Right. That makes a lot of sense, to be fair. So the Spanish attempt to take wine over. A corks around this. What does a wine bottle look like in 1492? Really wonky. Yeah. Really wonky. And corks are not around. So what are they using? So they're using glass, but like all sorts of bits of glass. It's all generally. And what's going in the top? All sorts of things. So it's sort of like so a rum bottle. It's kind's kind of whatever you've got in your house. Yeah, you'll see images of really wonky little bottles. So they plant what are vines in the Caribbean. Right. And then they go up to South America. Okay. And they suddenly find that actually the vines can grow in South America. Sure. So their first bit of actually doing a decent wine is the late 16th century in Mexico. So, so the decent wine finds, it's New World. That's interesting. No, no, it's not decent yet. It's really good. Okay, but the beginning, the beginnings of what would end up being decent wine is happening here, these kind of early vineyards. Yeah. But what's happening before? Because obviously we talked about the ancient history wine. You've got Georgian wine. You've got Roman Greek wine. Is this, are these vineyards or are these just like a massive barrel that you're sitting on grapes? These are vineyards, but all the wine's drunk locally because there's no transportation around. Right, okay. So really getting, so it doesn't need to last long. Sure. It's made, drunk, done. Fine. Okay, so it's in Mexico. Pump and dump. It's the beginning of the, and also, oh, so about the wine bottle, correct me if I'm wrong, this is a bit of fact that I like to bring out.

I think it's interesting.

I hope it's true.

Fration thinks it's interesting.

Is the modern wine bottle that size because it's the how far a wine, glass blower can blow?

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