Hi and welcome to the working songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop. I'm your host,

Joe Pug. Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep on their

inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music. So, whether

you're a grizzled veteran, composing instrumental sonatas on your priceless pre-war Martin, or else, a scrappy upstart, composing background music for Grand Theft Auto on an OP1, this is your show because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most, an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

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