And only that, but do we want a society built on retribution and domination and violence?

No, we can't get to the beloved community through violence.

So how do we then have a restorative justice community?

How do we embark on the project of transformative, transformational justice that transforms our relationships and transforms our systems and structures?

This is Sarah Stewart Holland and this is Beth Silverz.

Thank you for joining us for Pant suit Politics.

Hello and thank you so much for joining us for a new episode of Pant suit Politics.

We are thrilled today to share a conversation that Sarah had with Lisa Sharon Harper, you've heard on the show before.

Lisa's new book Fortune, How Race Broke My Family in the World and How to Repair at all, comes out today.

The book is about Lisa's journey to trace her ancestry, recover the beauty of her heritage, expose the brokenness that race has wrought in America, and cast a vision for a collective repair.

We hope you enjoyed this conversation as much as we did. If it speaks to you, you obviously should start with buying Lisa's book.

She's also doing a campaign throughout the month of February called Black Fortune Month where you can read the book in community, do virtual events, and get involved in advocacy for HR40.

If you follow the link in our show notes for the Fortune website, you'll get details on all of that.

Before we jump in, we want to remind everyone that on February 22nd, Sarah and I will spend some time with our Pant suit Politics members.

Members are people who support making this show. They are the reason we're able to make this show.

Either on Patreon or Apple Podcast subscriptions. The connection information for Apple Podcast subscribers will come through email.

So please make sure that Elise has your email by following a link in the notes today.

If you haven't started supporting the show but it's something that's been on your mind, this is a great introduction to that community.

So again, February 22nd, we would love for you to join us there.

And without further ado, here is Sarah's conversation with Lisa Sharon Harper.

All right, Lisa Sharon Harper, welcome back to Pant suit Politics.

Thank you so much, Sarah.

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