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Fortress Conservation

Outside/In

NHPR

Natural Sciences, Society & Culture, Nature, Science, Documentary

4.71.5K Ratings

🗓️ 5 November 2020

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

Throughout the 20th century, conservationists and environmentalists have looked to protect wildlife and biodiversity through the creation of parks and other forms of exclusionary wildlife zones. Zones that seek to preserve spaces devoid of human impact - or to create them, by displacing indigenous and poor people who already live there. Today, some academics call this strategy by a pejorative name: Fortress conservation. In this episode, we look at medieval forest law, the early days of Yellowstone National Park, and spreading concern over how conservation efforts are enacted and enforced around the world. Get more Outside/In in your inbox - sign up for our newsletter. Featuring Karl Jacoby, Prakash Kashwan, Rosalyn LaPier, Hadrian Cook, and Vicky Tauli-Corpuz. Find more Outside/In on our website Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

In 1872, when Ulysses S Grant created the world's very first national park, it was surprisingly easy to do.

0:08.5

No one in the world had really created a national park before, and so they just basically draw a big square and say

0:16.9

everything within this square is a national park. But managing the world's first

0:21.6

national park.

0:22.8

Now that was new territory.

0:24.5

Early on when people are going, they needed to eat and they would shoot

0:29.1

elk in the park to feed themselves.

0:32.1

And there's a question of can you shoot an elk in the park or not is that is that

0:36.2

a appropriate use of a national park or not.

0:41.6

This is Carl Jacobi co-director of Columbia University's Center for the Study of

0:46.3

Ethnicity and Race. And as you may have expected, the big square to which he is

0:50.8

referring was Yellowstone National Park.

0:54.0

When it was created, it still hadn't been entirely surveyed and explored by white men.

0:58.6

But according to those who had been there, it was incredibly beautiful. One of the most active volcanic areas in the country,

1:05.6

replete with waterfalls, geysers, mountain peaks, and home to one of the last surviving

1:10.1

herds of wild buffalo. But it was also, at the time, incredibly remote. So we're not

1:17.0

talking about opening up Disneyland here. It's very far from a railroad is very

1:20.8

distant and so the only people who could really visit it

1:23.7

other than the native people who obviously don't know it's been turned into a park

1:27.6

were very wealthy tourists who could do the equivalent of sort of a multi-month long safari you'd have to go to the closest railhead and then you know

1:37.1

Rent horses and so the first year 1872 I believe there's something like 200 to 400 tourists who go to the park at all.

1:47.0

Two to 400 tourists in a park that spanned some 3.5,000 square miles.

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