Hello outside in listeners this is same Evans Brown officially totally back from

paternity leave now we totally back I mean I do have double the number of children at

home as I had previously so I would say my attention is divided. But I'm here in the studio with

producer Taylor Quimby and Justine Paradise, mostly because it's lonely in the pandemic times and I would like someone to talk to.

Just kidding. I have you here because this episode will require a bit of talking it out, some discussions of moral quandaries.

Okay. quandries. So why don't, can we just start with a quick introduction and sort of like what

it says on your business card? Sure. Am I supposed to know what's on my business card?

I mean someone's...

Can I pull it out?

So that is Kirsten Turner Dalby.

Kirsten was aDallby.

Kirsten was a literature major as an undergrad

and she started out very predictably working

for environment and conservation non-profits.

Do you mean that predictably literature majors often go into the environment nonprofits?

Well, I mean, if there are people that I interview.

It was really, I think, because I wanted to be Edward Abbey?

See the monkey wrench guy?

The guy who wrote monkey wrench?

Yes.

Right, monkey wrench gang, desert solitaire.

He's like, it was like 60s and 70s decades environmental writer.

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